Ditching Naturopathy for Real Science (w/ Britt Hermes)

Britt Marie Hermes became a naturopath because she believed there was a better way to connect with patients. What she discovered a wretched hive of quackery and patient exploitation. And although naturopathy is 99.9% bull$hit, but here’s what that 0.1% might teach us.

Links to her Naturopathic Diaries and our medium piece about the pseudoscience of naturopathy (and how it especially preys on women) here: https://zdoggmd.com/against-medical-advice-027/

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44 Comments

  1. Emma Flatt on October 31, 2020 at 7:40 am

    What happens when people have nothing to look to? For problems like Lyme disease, where if you don’t catch it early enough, they’re stuck.. unless you get on pain killers. Quackery is unacceptable. Is there a balance between an MD, along with whatever therapies have proven visual, legitimate results? I know there is an OD, but it’s basically an MD that does chiropractic type work. Who is the professional that can help manage chronic illnesses that western medicine fails to acknowledge? Are they suppose to look to nutritionists and others away from their doctor? Or are they just helpless? This is why people go to alternative therapies, like Ms. Britt explains. So where should people go?

  2. Christina V on October 31, 2020 at 7:40 am

    I was given Cipro by an MD which has a fucking black box label by the FDA ; even after telling doctors that I am HIGHLY intolerant to avelox ( they are of the same class of antibiotics) …. MDs will fuck up just the same no offense.I had peripheral neuropathy and became tachycardic it was fucking terrifying.Y’all are not better than naturopathic doctors in many cases….. :/ Instead of trying to disprove naturopathic medicine focus on improving conventional medicine. .

  3. aesarawolf on October 31, 2020 at 7:41 am

    After having studied one year at the College of Naturopathic Medicine in Portland, studying Homeopathic Medicine with a world renowned homeopath for 3 years, and working as Director of Biomedical Engineering in Hospitals for 40 years….it is obvious this woman would have made a very poor doctor whether she went to allopathic medical school or naturopathic medical school. There are so many bad doctors out there….and she would have been just another one. I have used homeopathic medicine on my kids for years and if you have seen it WORK immediately on a little child you would understand there is no placebo effect going on here. If you understood the true homeopathic principle of LIKE CURES LIKE and really understood how to use it correctly….then you would not be caught up in the whole dilution past avagadros number thing where measurably it is just water. In Ecuador when my child got mumps (as I don’t vaccinate my children)…she completely cured in two days using two different homeopathic remedies. Anyway DoggZ….you need to get real homeopathic and naturopathic practitioners on your show….not losers who can’t cut being a doctor no matter if it was allopathic, naturopathic, chiropractic, etc.

  4. MartialArts 4Life on October 31, 2020 at 7:41 am

    This guy is your typical arrogant, condescending medical doctor. Be a damn professional!!!! You might want to do yourself and your viewers a huge favor and get an experienced Naturopathic Medical Doctor and or holistically trained M.D. or D.O on your show and learn what alternative medicine REALLY is (not a disgruntled ex-N.D. that "practiced" for 3 short years). Contact Dr. Michael Klaper, Dr. Barnard, Dr. Josh Axe (a Chiropractor) and educate yourself. Western medicine is, in large part, a massive disaster as far as disease prevention and treatment goes. I have spoken with far too many people that did not agree with their medical doctors run of the mill allopathic medical "treatment" plan after being diagnosed with cancer, so they sought out holistically trained physicians, along with other medical professionals (including NMD’s) changed their diet and lifestyle, and were healed. Western medicine’s cancer treatment is a dismal failure, and often times the treatment kills them, not the cancer itself.

    Pharmaceuticals do work well at times, but not without a ton of nasty side effects. Most western trained doctors completely discount alternative methods. Naturopathic science is not witchcraft and woo-woo. Like all medical professions, there are good and bad clinicians., as well as good and bad treatments. Each person’s body is different and responds to treatment methods differently. Without question, naturopathic medical school graduates should be required to have residency and national board exams.

    Your show also needs a hell of a lot of work. Be a professional and watch your language. You and the two morons in the back need to shut up and let your guests speak. Stop interjecting and cutting people off. Britt has her own story and it’s interesting, but her training was extremely limited. Now she is on to her P.H.D in some kind of science. I have a feeling that she will probably work for a big pharma company at some point.

  5. Llewellyn Enterprize on October 31, 2020 at 7:43 am

    The shill speaks in her own words 1. "I’m driven by guilt" 2. "I see a psychiatrist" 3. "I see a psychologist" WTF should I listen to a big pharma pill pusher consulting some mentally disturbed woman who became disillusioned with her own state of mental health. This video does not represent whether "yes or no" Naturopathy is psuedo science…..its just fucked up people having a rant and giving modern medicine a plug. Game over MF’s.

  6. J T on October 31, 2020 at 7:45 am

    Ditch the third leading cause of death, iatrogenic, for naturopathy!

  7. shortforsophie on October 31, 2020 at 7:56 am

    8:30 k, we all know what a hero Tom is in this situation, doc. And we know *you* know.

    Interviews need good sound like hospitals need good infection control protocols.

    We salute you, Mr Hinueber!! You keep this ship afloat.

    Edit: 20:20 NO *YOU’RE BAD PEOPLE!!!!* Although I do think your hoodie looks boss.

  8. Luiza Motz on October 31, 2020 at 7:56 am

    Furstly, the content is valuable but the language used is appaling. Secondly, how can you promote Yoga when you just exposed the witchcraft and the deception behind naturopathy. Yoga is just another form of hocus-pocus. You just lost my respect.

  9. Billy Lewis on October 31, 2020 at 7:58 am

    Not to make her feel bad for her past, but naturopaths actually kill people by giving them false hope in either unproven or far less effective treatments.

    The goal of an MD is to treat the patient in the best way. The goal of the ND is to treat the patient in the most natural way. One makes money off of treating you the best way, the other wants to make money off of treating you the most natural way.

    At least some drink the Koolaide and actually believe their own bs. One may comment below, and I believe that they believe in the treatment. They still kill people.

  10. am on October 31, 2020 at 7:59 am

    I keep listening and I’m astounded at the level of ignorance. There are poor judgements on the part of clinicians in every field of healing, most dramatically seen actually in the field of medicine. Truth not fiction. This is a targeted attack on one approach to healing. I challenge you to bring on some medical doctors who have since realized that they have done nothing but hurt people using a limited scope of healing through pharmaceutical alone. Oh you don’t have to because that’s right they’re all over the internet…. Sound research from medically trained clinicians and doctors at major medical institutions. This sad little interview is not a balanced view.

  11. Jake Rodgers on October 31, 2020 at 8:02 am

    This guy makes my skin crawl.

  12. john doe on October 31, 2020 at 8:04 am

    The unibomber wore a hoodie

  13. Cara Caponio on October 31, 2020 at 8:04 am

    Another point to note, NATUROPATHIC DOCTORS DO NOT ADVOCATE ANTI VAX! We actually promote the administration of vaccinations for the prevention of many highly contagious and fatal illnesses/diseases. In our curriculum we learn about different vaccinations, and what conditions we apply them to when we encounter patients with said conditions. So for anyone who has had an encounter with someone who is anti vax/had a naturopath who is anti vax, please don’t let them represent the Naturopathic medical field. That’s their personal belief stemming into their practice (which is unfortunate and incredibly dangerous). Like any field, theres always bad apples in the basket unfortunately

  14. DollJewel on October 31, 2020 at 8:05 am

    I lost all intention to watch this at minute 3 . I will try a different approach to medicine because I am tired and exhausted from dealing with g-d complex doctors that say all is “Normal “ Naturopathic medicine has been around for as long men has walked the earth and it does have a value to it. Let’s stop with the witch hunt.

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  16. Alex Lee on October 31, 2020 at 8:08 am

    Britt was amazing. However, the extra comments from the host and peanut gallery were not necessary.

  17. just another human on October 31, 2020 at 8:08 am

    don’t know about naturopathy (apart from Herbert Shelton being a legend) but anyone who reads even the first 3 chapters of Eustace Mullins "Murder By Injection" (about the history of american allopathic medicine) will realize they’ve been poisoning people for profit for over 100 years

  18. Syrena Xhaferi on October 31, 2020 at 8:09 am

    this guy is very sarcastic….he talk soo much about money……and doesnt like that fact people can heal themselves with things god created….also the comment about the MS patient….the patient was seeing a naturopthic doctor and regular md and how do we know what the medicines were the traditional doctor gave her, were ? She said the patient didn’t get well….so is that traditional or naturopathic fault…..both?

  19. Amber S on October 31, 2020 at 8:12 am

    What are your thoughts on dermatologists who just prescribe antibiotics and send you on your way. Antibiotics totally fucked up my good gut bacteria but succeeded in acne. Now I am off those suffering with bad gut health and bad skin. I don’t want to take birth control and fuck up my hormones further than they are right now. Just looking for some more feedback..

  20. Tahlia Northcroft on October 31, 2020 at 8:12 am

    Being given fish when the client was a vegetarian?! This purely means that the naturopath wasn’t listening to her patient to provide the best means of treatment. Britt was offered lifestyle and diet changes, but that’s just "common sense", maybe to her it was but still if things are so common sense then why do people get so sick and need medical help? Why do people think they need a magic pill or a doctor who has a 15-minute window to "fix" you? I think watching this with a very open mind is important, naturopathy is ever-evolving like any other industry but bear in mind you are listening to two sceptics in this discussion.

  21. BloomPretty on October 31, 2020 at 8:12 am

    This video needs to address the difference between Naturopaths and Naturopathic Doctors. Naturopaths are self taught/only do some online stuff for 1 year or two while Naturopathic Doctors go to school for 8 years and take the same classes as Allopathic (conventional) Doctors plus some of the more "natural" stuff like Herbalism, Nutrition, Psychology.

  22. Leesly B on October 31, 2020 at 8:13 am

    She was a naturopath not a NATUROPATHIC DOCTOR!! NPD. There’s a difference

  23. Syrena Xhaferi on October 31, 2020 at 8:15 am

    point is i think both naturopathic and regular medicine can be crap….equally

  24. Noah on October 31, 2020 at 8:16 am

    I am currently going to school studying to be a PA I am heavily into science as well as natural medication. The power of chamomile, L theanine in regards to anxiety, sleeping disorders in comparisson to Xanax , etc. I can speak on personally. The power of cbd in regards to pain, inflammation in comparisson to oxycodone. I can speak on personally. They laugh and mock but there is a very dark side to western medicine as well. Western medicine is not all bad and neither is naturopathic medicine. There has to be a balance in life. There are many diseases illnesses, that western medicine has not cured cannot understand sometimes we have to combine treatments in order to find a solution. Sometimes medication isn’t something you have to take orally. Closed mindedness is what stunts
    Growth. You cant have one with out the other. This is kind of a really one sided debate with out having someone that actually has a background in anatomy, Physiology, micro biology etc. How many plants, herbs, minerals do we have on this earth? It will take real money and real support to find out. When we eat our food what does the body depend on? and when we have diseases, cancers diabetes unknown ? What is the cause? In order to be a naturopathic dr you should have to atleast take pharmacology including natural medications, anatomy, Physiology, chemistry. In order to prescribe a cure you have to understand the diesease.The same process as trying to be a nurse-pa. That is the argument you can’t discredit the actual study because it is not fully equipped for success.

  25. Dj'Nierska on October 31, 2020 at 8:16 am

    A more appropriate headline would be – Ditching Synthetic Pharmaceutical Treatment of Symptoms for Natural Healing.

  26. Bobby Walker on October 31, 2020 at 8:17 am

    People die in the hands of ‘scientific based’ medical professionals everyday. The ‘scientific evidence’ of today is biased towards funding and its not the holy grail of truth. I have 3 medical doctors (surgeon, ER doc and psychiatrist) in my immediate family and they all take natural plant medicine for their own ailments. We know so little as a society about what plants can do and scientifically funded research (by pharmaceutical companies) doesn’t help. Your “interview” sounds so ignorant when you talk about ‘magic’ as opposed to ‘science.’ There is no ‘Big Herbal’ unless you are ignorant enough to trust buying supplements at walmart. In my family we understand science and how plant medicine works. Medicinal plants that prevent cancer and heal our organs are growing right outside. This kind of knowledge is missing from ‘science based’ evidence and it makes science look like quackery.

  27. Umberto Torresan on October 31, 2020 at 8:20 am

    The dude keeps talking about confirmation bias… which is exactly what he’s doing through the interview. Leading questions, side comments confirming his opinions etc. Not a balanced discussion on naturopathy, just on that Washington State school. So from a “scientific” point of view, doctor, you have proved nothing but that school’s shortcomings. You’re no different from biased media.

  28. isaias Rodrigues on October 31, 2020 at 8:20 am

    You do need a bachelor’s and the same pre requisite courses to get in. But yes no mcat. Phds teach our basic science courses. Lifestyle medicine, preventive medicine, herbs work. So Naturopathic medicine works. Versus simply throwing meds at people that have more side effects than benefits. Not all Naturopathic doctors practice the same

  29. Cara Caponio on October 31, 2020 at 8:21 am

    Here’s the thing, theres a MASSIVE difference between a Naturopath and a Naturopathic Doctor. A naturopath is someone who is not licensed, and follows older traditional naturopathic remedies from the 1800s like stated in the video (ie: homeopathy, hydrotherapy, herbal medicine, etc). A Naturopathic doctor (ND) is a licensed primary care physician, that involves the traditional remedies with modern science (common modalities are diet, acupuncture, spinal adjustments, massage, herbal medicine.. the list goes on). ND’s are able to diagnose/treat certain conditions (obviously within our scope), prescribe medicines/supplementations, carry malpractice insurance, administer testings and perform physicals (like PAP testing), administer vaccines (in some jurisdictions), perform additional modalities such as IV’s , order and analyze blood work and so on. In order to become an ND, you need to go a private institution that can give you 4 year doctorate program that results in obtaining a Doctor of Naturopathic Medicine license. There are only a few countries that have schools where you can obtain this doctorate, such as Canada and the US, however there are many countries that don’t have this practice like Australia for example, which not only gives them lots of limitations, but can increase in risks for patients aswell who aren’t informed of this difference.

    What we study at school includes heavily scienced based courses, which a regular medical student often studies as well! Courses like Anatomy, Clinical Physiology, Pharmacology, Microbiology, Clinical Medicine, Physical and Clinical Diagnosis, Biochemistry are only just a few courses that we take at Naturopathic Medical school as well! That doesn’t include the additional courses such as Acupuncture, Traditional Chinese Medicine, Massage, Botanical Medicine, and more. It’s essentially a 4 year program, averaging about 11 courses per semester (so 24 courses a year. Double the average of what a student typically studies), so we do put in the required hours and work in our studies to obtain that Doctorate at the end of our four years. That also doesn’t include the hours we have to complete in clinics/hospitals for our preceptorship.

    As a future ND, we are taught that Naturopathic Medicine IS NO WHERE NEAR to ever “overriding” current traditional medicine provided by GP’s and so on. It would be foolish for someone to say that we can survive on Naturopathic Medicine as our main and only sort of treatment for health conditions. We obviously still need more aggressive therapies for a variety of illness’ and disease, and thats where the collaboration comes in. The ultimate goal is to have a collaborative environment in the health field, where we all work with eachother and ensure we are all staying within our scope. If we are ever presented with a patient with a condition that we don’t have extensive studies in / cannot treat as it is not in our scope, we immediately refer. My point is, those “horror” stories, or far stretched quacks that use homeopathy for everything and claim to be naturopaths dont represent the entire Naturopathic Doctorate field. There are bad apples in every field, and I’ve had/heard my fair share of horror stories done by GP’s, Chiros, physios, and massage therapists as well.

    If you do want to learn more about Naturopathy, PLEASE DO YOUR RESEARCH and make sure its credible! Remember its always best to see a licensed practitioner aka an ND, and remember the difference between an naturopath and ND! I get it, its a growing field that just recently gained some light, and to some they still dont understand it. Just because you don’t understand it, that doesn’t give you the right to completely shut it down! There are millions of patients who seek naturopathic medicine as a source for treatment, and theres a reason why… it’s because IT WORKS and it is indeed backed by science! I encourage everyone to see an ND just to gain some insight on this emerging field of medicine.

  30. Kingdom Heaven on October 31, 2020 at 8:22 am

    There’s also good ethical brilliant naturopaths.
    The crazy doctors who were doing using the unapproved drugs were just crazy

  31. Shivam Chawla on October 31, 2020 at 8:22 am

    Nice interview, but the interviewer is a bit irritating with the constant interruptions 😛 But again, nothing wrong with that, thats just my personal view 🙂

  32. Amandeep Sandhu on October 31, 2020 at 8:24 am

    Literally, all of this also happens in regular medicine … There are drugs administered to patients by MDs and DOs that are not FDA approved, but it is okay if the LICENCED physician uses their knowledge of medicine to help patients via those drugs (for example AHDH medications and others that affect crucial hormones in the brain).

    Also, this host sucks, lol kissing up to her the ENTIRE time with the most random irrelevant side comments? A good host would have done at least some research to be able to ask questions that challenge her to think rather than agreeing with her anecdotes … like what’s the point? She’s already ranted about these things in her Passive Aggressive TedTalk

    She’s just mad that she didn’t go to the right school? If you wanted to prescribe antibiotics to everything then you should’ve thought about applying and getting into an MD school. Now her life is all about bashing NDs a growing branch of medicine and convince everyone that this "isn’t real medicine" and "it doesn’t work" ….. DOs started off the same way and look at them now.

    ND schools have a lot more growing to do in terms of resources but it is so new and there are room and potential for this field to grow. Research is in the works, it doesn’t happen overnight.

    Just realizing how long this comment is, but their ignorance throughout this hour-long video was too much to not say something…

  33. Dr. Shilpa Gowda on October 31, 2020 at 8:24 am

    Excellent interview. ZDogg, you’re very compassionate towards her; if she was able to come around, do you think that you could hold the some level of compassion and hope for the anti-vaxxers?

  34. Terri Crowe on October 31, 2020 at 8:24 am

    Please do an extended interview with a former chiropractor. Chiropractic is out of control. Love this interview with her.

  35. Christina V on October 31, 2020 at 8:26 am

    But despite that I still appreciate the interview. I just wish you all were a bit MORE self-depricating…. also btw ; as someone who was supposed to get their gallbladder removed yesterday ; I didn’t because the surgeon changed his mind last minute ; I wish that you all understood that we don’t just want "support " we want something that actually works .

  36. Katie Scott on October 31, 2020 at 8:26 am

    I would love to hear a live debate between a naturopathic doctor and an MD, in which they have to respond to each other’s questions and criticisms.

  37. am on October 31, 2020 at 8:28 am

    . Didn’t know this zdogg was so limited in his scope and understanding of physiology and which methods may work best to heal a body vs. sticking to just one traditional Medical practice.

  38. Chayla Neese on October 31, 2020 at 8:28 am

    I don’t know when Britt went to Naturopathic school, but you have to have a bachelors degree to apply to a naturopathic program.

  39. Janani Jayabalan on October 31, 2020 at 8:30 am

    These both literally do not know what is actually naturopathy…or homeopathy…or anything…wast conversations they have.

  40. M. S. on October 31, 2020 at 8:32 am

    This woman’s arguments always trouble me. We have very similar stories, but I’ve come to the conclusion that a "both and" approach to medicine is best (i.e., be open to naturopathic treatments when traditional medicine fails). You can’t just dismiss all of naturopathy because of some select cases of malpractice. I’ve seen no less than 3 loved ones die due to pharmaceuticals, was treated horribly by overworked MDs just like Britt was, and I still want to pursue an MD because I recognize that traditional medicine helps far more people than it hurts. Yes, an ND curriculum is much less rigorous and much more limited than an MD curriculum, but to call it "useless" because of that fact is such black and white thinking. It has its place.

  41. Amber S on October 31, 2020 at 8:32 am

    Interesting. Trying to find a doctor for my acne and was trying to go holistic. But now i dont know.. lol

  42. Alaina on October 31, 2020 at 8:34 am

    What is the title of the book mentioned? I can’t replay video to find it lol.

  43. deviousxen on October 31, 2020 at 8:35 am

    The homeopathic anxiety joke was fucking hilarious.

  44. balancedbody1 on October 31, 2020 at 8:36 am

    Host language is atrocious… The female is suffering from PTSD and that’s why she so against naturopathy. I get nothing else…

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